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	<title>Comments on: Comments, content creation and creating real value</title>
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	<description>the geek wants out</description>
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		<title>By: Mindy McAdams</title>
		<link>http://kiyoshimartinez.com/nerdlusus/2009/05/10/comments-content-creation-creating-real-value/comment-page-1/#comment-5197</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy McAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the wiki model will not work well in most journalism contexts (except a closed system, e.g. where reporters use a wiki to source and research a topic). But I think it&#039;s worthwhile to distinguish between comments on articles and comments on blogs. 

The reason is that I see most bloggers (especially on single-author blogs) embracing a symbiotic relationship with their audience -- what Dan Gillmor wrote about years ago when he praised how much he learns from people in the audience. The difference with articles is the authors usually see them as a closed system -- I wrote it and now it&#039;s finished. 

The blogger has a different attitude (in many cases, not all) toward the blog post -- it is open. It invites debate, additions, contradictions.

I&#039;m not saying blog posts and articles are the only kinds of content units, but I&#039;m suggesting that for a value proposition for comments, they are two different cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the wiki model will not work well in most journalism contexts (except a closed system, e.g. where reporters use a wiki to source and research a topic). But I think it&#8217;s worthwhile to distinguish between comments on articles and comments on blogs. </p>
<p>The reason is that I see most bloggers (especially on single-author blogs) embracing a symbiotic relationship with their audience &#8212; what Dan Gillmor wrote about years ago when he praised how much he learns from people in the audience. The difference with articles is the authors usually see them as a closed system &#8212; I wrote it and now it&#8217;s finished. </p>
<p>The blogger has a different attitude (in many cases, not all) toward the blog post &#8212; it is open. It invites debate, additions, contradictions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying blog posts and articles are the only kinds of content units, but I&#8217;m suggesting that for a value proposition for comments, they are two different cases.</p>
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		<title>By: kiyoshimartinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiyoshimartinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t intend to draw a distinction between sites, articles and blog posts. I think it&#039;s pretty much universal that comments across the board on sites that contain content of all sorts have a definite problem with the cultivation of good comments from users.

While I agree that content inviting feedback generally fairs better with guiding the conversation, that conversation must be actively handheld throughout the entire discourse, otherwise it&#039;ll devolve into what we commonly see. 

Mainly, I am advocating for publishers to take back their sites and put forth an effort to produce good content across the board. The anonymous Internet has spoken and it&#039;s largely filled with &quot;stupid&quot; noise. 

I think WikiPedia&#039;s got it right in a lot of ways, but it&#039;s a great example of a large-scaled guiding hand. Unfortunately, most publishers don&#039;t have that kind of audience and users to self-police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t intend to draw a distinction between sites, articles and blog posts. I think it&#8217;s pretty much universal that comments across the board on sites that contain content of all sorts have a definite problem with the cultivation of good comments from users.</p>
<p>While I agree that content inviting feedback generally fairs better with guiding the conversation, that conversation must be actively handheld throughout the entire discourse, otherwise it&#8217;ll devolve into what we commonly see. </p>
<p>Mainly, I am advocating for publishers to take back their sites and put forth an effort to produce good content across the board. The anonymous Internet has spoken and it&#8217;s largely filled with &#8220;stupid&#8221; noise. </p>
<p>I think WikiPedia&#8217;s got it right in a lot of ways, but it&#8217;s a great example of a large-scaled guiding hand. Unfortunately, most publishers don&#8217;t have that kind of audience and users to self-police.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy McAdams</title>
		<link>http://kiyoshimartinez.com/nerdlusus/2009/05/10/comments-content-creation-creating-real-value/comment-page-1/#comment-5194</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy McAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it appears you were very careful to say &quot;sites&quot; and not &quot;articles&quot; or &quot;blog posts.&quot; Do you mean this to apply to all article-type content, &lt;em&gt;including&lt;/em&gt; blog posts? Because I would draw a further distinction between a kind of article/post that invites conversation or feedback (maybe including Op-Eds) and one that is cut off from feedback, an authoritative type of article or essay. (&quot;Don&#039;t talk back to ME; I am the big expert!&quot;)

And then, there&#039;s the wiki model. Another animal altogether. No comments, but feedback is in the rewrites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it appears you were very careful to say &#8220;sites&#8221; and not &#8220;articles&#8221; or &#8220;blog posts.&#8221; Do you mean this to apply to all article-type content, <em>including</em> blog posts? Because I would draw a further distinction between a kind of article/post that invites conversation or feedback (maybe including Op-Eds) and one that is cut off from feedback, an authoritative type of article or essay. (&#8220;Don&#8217;t talk back to ME; I am the big expert!&#8221;)</p>
<p>And then, there&#8217;s the wiki model. Another animal altogether. No comments, but feedback is in the rewrites.</p>
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